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IV: Being working, being starving, losing your brothers.

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What do you think, what was the most terrible, the hardest thing to bear in this year, for you as a young, 13-year-old boy?

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MH: Lost my family. I lost my childhood.

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Didn't have no childhood, lost my family.

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It is still in my mind how my parents looked.

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Can you imagine as a child of 12, 13 lost my family..

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And the worst thing, lost my two brothers, on the way. Shot, virtually, in front of my eyes.

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This is.. something I can never forget. I cannot get it out of my mind.

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Knowing that my parents were gassed.

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You know, it's in my mind how my mother looked and my father, you know..

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And being taken to the gas chamber.

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This is something, until I have breath in my lungs, I will never forget it.

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And my.. I lost half of my family.

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And to this day, I don't want to go into..

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Politically, what is happening in Germany.. And I can't forgive this and I cannot forget.

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And it's wrong how the Germans behaved.

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I'm not taking anybody individually as an example, like you or somebody else.

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As a whole, the German government, the German people.

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Here I am, I'm giving you just a little example.

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I'm getting from the German government "Gutmachung". You've heard of "Gutmachung?"

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In English, you say "peanuts". Nothing.

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Yeah, the very people who murdered us, who killed us, SS, are getting high pensions here.

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They getting ten times more than I am getting and they're the ones who were killing the people.

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How can one explain that?

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I'm asking ordinary German people, how do you explain anything like this?

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SS, who were serving, murdering here, are getting high pensions.

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I'm the one who was persecuted, who were killing me and my family.

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I'm getting nothing, they say "Gutmachung".

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Yes, sort of "We are going to give you something, saying sorry for what we did."

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How does the German explain that to me? I asked questions.

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And look, everybody says when you speak to German people:

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"We couldn't do nothing because if you opened your mouth, you did something, you finished up in a camp like here."

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So, in other words, the whole of Germany would have finished up in a camp.

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Nobody supported the Nazis.

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To go into the SS, you had to volunteer.

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When you were called up, you didn't - they didn't put you in the SS.

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You had volunteered, you could go to Wehrmacht. You were called, you were volunteered to service.

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So in other words, everybody says: "We are not the ones, we could do nothing."

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But there were millions who did it.

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There were, where did these people come from, these SS..

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Thousands of hundreds of thousands of them. You know.

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It's amazing, you know. So this is something, you know, it makes you suspicious.

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I know the younger generation, obviously not.

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But they should ask their parents or maybe their parents were not - the grandparents, who did all these things. You know.

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A lot of the people don't want to talk about it.

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The younger generation say: "Look, we have a different generation now. It is not our responsibility."

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It is responsibility. It's the responsibility of the German people.

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Nevermind you didn't do it, but your parents and grandparents they did it.

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So, they've got to take responsibility.

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The German come and say: "Yes, we're taking responsibility and we're paying you compensation."

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You cannot pay compensation for anything like this.

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I'm going to murder you and I'm going to say your sister and brothers:

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"Here's ah, 1000 Ma- ah, Euros because I killed your brother."

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That's what this amounts to. I know, well, they can't bring somebody alive again. I understand that.

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But it is the way they behave. I cannot understand this.

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How they can pay pensions to these people.

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I want an answer.

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Tell me, why pay somebody like that. Ex-SS men.

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At the end of the war, you know, I remember, at the end - they were mostly elderly SS because the younger ones were sent to the front.

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You know, they were fighting.

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It was mostly sort of middle-aged SS men.

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And that, he must have had a heart, that I can still remember.

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In Dörnhau, where I was working, there was one SS man who took us out and was guarding us.

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In groups. Because they took, if they took 20 or 30 in a group, they only needed one or two SS man to do that. And..

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The work we were doing was only about half a kilometer from the camp.

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So lunch-time, they used to send two or three of us, to bring food for the SS. Took away, the food.

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So, I was waiting, he was eating and I was waiting.

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And this SS man, a few times he did it, while I worked there.

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And he was the same SS man who was coming to guard us.

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He always left a little bit, he says to wash up, I should go and wash up the dish.

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So he always left a little bit. And used to pick me and says, he knew me, you know.

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He felt sorry. He must have had a bit of a heart, he left a little bit of soup in the bottom of the dish.

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But they were mostly middle-aged, at the end of war.

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Because the youngers were sent to the front. It's like.. So what.

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IV: I can't answer your questions.

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MH: These questions I keep asking. I know..

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Anyway, what do you think, how was my ah, testimony?

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IV: Great.