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IV: Good. 

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SB: I was lucky because there was an alarm. And the light was out. 

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I slept in a bed with my older brother Roman, it was the passageway. 

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I told my brother: "Brother, sleep with your head to the passageway."

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Because he had...I had already heard: "Where is the little black guy? Where is the little black guy?"

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I told him...they are all...usually two men in each bed but many died in the camp. 

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When someone died, the second man stayed in the bed alone. 

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Fritz entered the passageway and lifted the blanket and sees my brother, but not me, and moves on. 

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"Where": and it took a long time. "Where is the little black guy? Where is the little black guy?"

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I was silent...I didn't react at all. 

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The next day I was very careful at roll call to stand upright. 

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Because if you didn't stand up straight you got slapped or was whipped with the riding crop. 

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I didn't want them to...beat me. I always stood very straight. 

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And he went, Fritz walked between the prisoners. And suddenly I fell...with his fist he fired a shot at my head. 

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I had oh...He didn't reprimand, he didn't say anything. And he moved on. 

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My brother Roman stood behind me. If he had...if I...had fallen...he held me and he moved on. 

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After work there was a Russian was with us. 

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He didn't work, he was part of it. 

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The Russia came and said: "Fritz said you should go to him."

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I had to go, I went. 

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"Why did you run away yesterday?"

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I said: "I didn't run away. I..."

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That day there was a soup that caused many people to get diarrhea... after the soup.

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I said to him: "I ate the soup yesterday and had diarrhea. I went to the latrine."

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The latrine was outside and since it was alarm the light was off, I was afraid

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to go back to the living quarters when it's dark. 

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So I was in the latrine, sat in the latrine. Two hours past before the alarm was over. 

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I stayed there and went to bed to sleep later. 

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He took something down from above...he had a bowl with soup. Not the soup that we had been given. 

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And he gave me the soup. 

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I was hungry and I was uh...

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"Do we say thanks?"

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I wanted to say to him: "Thanks: I didn't eat my soup because I had diarrhea."

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And I didn't take the soup. He didn't say anything. 

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"When the diarrhea is over come to me."

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"Yes, ok."

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Then I went into the kitchen and he didn't come to me again. 

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We stayed in uh Ganacker...We watched...was more or less uh...

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24th of April we left Waging...uh Ganacker again. 

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When the Americans got closer they took us out of the camp to go on the death march again. 

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So we walked until May 4, that was seven...eleven days we were walking. Basically without food. 

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Once a potato was cooked. But basically we had nothing to eat. 

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Three times there was a snow storm. It was so cold. 

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And we were 11 men. The SS people...we had a small wagon, from from the airport. 

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A small wagon, with those small wheels...that's where the SS had their food and uh, the clothes. 

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There were goods, they couldn't go into a coat. 

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We dragged them with the car...with the wagon. We were eleven men. 

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Everyone went ahead of us and we stayed behind. With uh, with five or six SS men, with two dogs. 

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I don't know what happened to the group that was ahead of us. 

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Because we always stayed with the SS...five SS men stayed sleeping an a barn alone. 

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May 3 was very cold and a storm, a snow storm, we went into a barn in a house. 

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They allowed us to...the SS man asked. 

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The barn was on the left side, there was a doorway and on the right side was the entrance to the house. 

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That is where they lived. The SS men slept in the house and we stayed in the barn to sleep. 

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Of course we went into the barn, it was warm and full of straw. We could sleep well. Warm and soft. 

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And we slept through the night, we woke up early in the morning...

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Maybe that is what led the SS men to say to us "Go away."

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One of us...there was a cupboard in the entrance, a... 

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And there was marmalade with uh...

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One of us saw an SS man take a can of marmalade and put it in his bag. 

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Later he said: "I saw the SS do that. Can I do that too?"

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He did it too, he took a can of marmalade. 

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And one of the SS men came out of the house. It was on the street. Two soldiers came...Wehrmacht...without weapons. 

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Asked him: "What's going on?"

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He says: "The Americans are there, already there." 

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And the woman, the housewife went outside and she saw that marmalade was missing. She started to yell:

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"Ah! I let you sleep here and you stole from me."

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The SS men heard her yelling and the Wehrmacht said "The Americans are here." 

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They said to us: "Get lost!"

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We didn't wait for them to say it a second time. We went out. 

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But where should we go? We didn't know what...We went back to where we came from. 

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Out and to the right. 

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A Frenchman was working in the fields. We spoke to him, he spoke to us. 

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A Wehrmacht officer arrived. He looked at us: "Who are you?"

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We said: "We were released by the SS."

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He said: "Where are you going?"

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We said we didn't now where...we had come from this area, we are going back. 

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He said: "No, go back on the main street. Because there are lots of SS people here and that is not good for you."  

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We went out and on that day, afternoon, we saw the first Americans. 

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Then an armored car came and we sat on the side. 

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And one of the men with us...one of them did this, he went to every farmer, to every house and begged. 

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Bread. He got bread and ham. Not a lot but he didn't eat it, he brought it back.  

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When it was enough for all of us, we sat and ate. Then the armored car came. 

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We looked at the armored car. We didn't know this, it was something new. We had never seen an armored car before. 

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Two soldiers sat there. We saw that even the helmet is...Helmet, that is what you say, right?

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The helmet wasn't German. We understood then, they were Americans. 

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We stayed there...later we went back and stayed together. 

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Spoke to us and we stayed at the barn. 

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The women from the village came out...what could they do for us?

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We said: We would like to sleep. And if possible you could cook a few potatoes."

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They cooked a pot of potatoes for us. Boiled potatoes with the skin. And we at that. 

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Early the next day we got up. We didn't know where to go. 

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It was a village and later a few houses. We knew this was not a place we could stay. 

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Until we went back to Waging. 

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We got to Waging, it was...from the very beginning a military unit. 

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And we saw there was a kitchen. 

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Kitchen is good for us. We went to...it was lunch time. They had just finished eating lunch. 

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We sat down and the Americans, I think they had seen people like us before. It wasn't the first time. 

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When we sat down the Americans came. 

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They brought us blankets and shoes and socks and soap and everything that a person needs. 

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And of course they gave us the food that was left over, it was these squares...pans, large. 

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There was meat and potatoes. And I got a piece of meat in my mouth...I had to spit it out.

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It was too salty. Actually it was salted normally but we had been without salt the whole time so I couldn't eat it. 

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But one of them ate it.  And it put white dots all over his mouth. Burned in his mouth. 

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He was unable to eat anything for a long time. But slowly we began to eat. 

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We sat there and an attractive man came...Civilian, German, with a tie, dressed nicely. 

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I had not seen such an elegant man in years. 

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He came to us and asked: "Who are you?"

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And we told him.

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He said: I am the mayor.

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And unfortunately I can't give you a room...all the rooms are occupied by the Americans and refugees. 

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Refugees are coming from the big cities. The first room that becomes available in Waging goes to you."

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And that is how it was...yes, he said, "go down there to the barn. I'll talk to the owner of the barn." It was locked. 

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"He'll open the barn and you can sleep there until a room is free."

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That's what we did, we went down, the room uh the barn was open. 

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There was water not far from the barn. 

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And in the barn there was no water.

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We had soap, we had socks, we had underwear, we already had clothes. 

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We went down to the water the next day, that was May 5 or May 6. 

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The water was cold but we hadn't washed ourselves since Oranienburg. 

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That means that was around late January...we hadn't washed since there. Filthy with lice. 

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Still today I regret that I had to burn the suit, the clothes from the camp. 

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And didn't taken any photos the next day. 

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But the next day we were in Waging, threw all the clothes down and burned them. 

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Into the water, washed and put on the clean clothes. 

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Uh, I think that was the second or third night that we were in the barn. 

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The barn had an entrance and there at the entrance. 

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We came from that entrance. And in the evening two soldiers, Wehrmacht soldiers came from the street to the entrance. 

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And they came in, we didn't see them. But early in the morning we saw them there. 

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One was older...well, for me, a 25 year old man, he was an old man. 

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But the soldier was ...one was somewhat older but the second one was young...a boy, maybe 17, 18 years old. 

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We had already eaten...not yet from the city, from Waging...just what we had gotten from the Americans. 

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But they sat there and didn't have any food. 

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Roman, my brother, asked him: "Do you have something to eat...Breakfast?" He said "No."

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We gave these two soldiers some food. That was two days after the liberation. 

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The boy didn't understand it, but the old man understood. He started to cry. 

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He said: "Now, after what they did, and you give me breakfast."

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"I think" that was his words, " I think that the world will become good."

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So we stayed in this barn, I don't remember how long. 

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But...we were all given a room. We were eleven men sleeping in one room.

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Later there was a woman in the house with two children. She was a refugee. 

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She went away, left the room, and we got the second room. 

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I don't remember how long we stayed but Wiedermann had for us...everyone had...

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We three came to a family Meier...we were given two rooms. Everyone had left, everyone went to families.

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The Hirstein, his wife stayed in bed, went to Waging. He got a flat and was alone. 

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Then the...came

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Not...a Jew had a uh...we weren't Jews..we..That is when we started to be humans. 

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We were afraid...Well I was a boy. I didn't have the courage to speak with the Germans. 

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Once there was an American standing near the barn. 

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And the barn...the American, my brother lit a cigarette.

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He lit the cigarette and we stood there and an American soldier came. 

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My brother said...the American soldier threw away the cigarette and put it out. 

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The American looked at Alek: "Why did you do that?"

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"I saw the American, we are not allowed to smoke."

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What did we smoke? Everyone had to smoke, found paper and straw, different...

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And wrapped it in paper and smoked. 

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But when an SS man came, he had to throw it away. 

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The SS man shouldn't see that he had smoked a cigarette. 

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And that happened, it was a long time, uh...

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We were free but when i walked I turned my head. 

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to see if I was alone or if the SS man was behind me. 

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Herr Wiedemann, that was the mayor, gave us...there were food rations cards back then.

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So we had the cards...one of us took the cards and the Wiedermann did it for us. 

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We received food ration cards normally...It was a card with a hard labor bonus. 

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The hard labor bonus i think was more than the card. 

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And the one with the card was Hirstein. 

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That was a butcher with restaurant.

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It had everything... the meat cut up and in the bakery the flour portioned out.

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There was butter, cheese, everything... And we went to the restaurant everyday for lunch and dinner. 

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And one of us went to the bakery every day, got bread...We didn't pay for anything. 

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We didn't have any money to pay. 

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That's how we did it until '47.

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And of course Mr. Wiedermann....we didn't have any clothes. 

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Back then you couldn't just go into a store and buy clothes. There were points...

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Points or like with the food cards, there were also cards for clothes. 

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We had them once in a while...he gave them to us, so that we could also buy clothes, a coat. 

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But life in Waging, you see:

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My brother danced with a woman once. 

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And they knew...you see, we were uh... How should I say this?

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Decent boys, quiet, well behaved. 

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They danced...my brother danced with the woman... And she asked him... She knew that we were from the camps. 

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She asked him. "Why were you...why were you in the camps?"

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My brother said: "Because we are Jews."

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She said: "No, really, I am asking you why."

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He said: "I am telling you the truth."

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She didn't believe that we were Jews. 

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She said: "That can't be."

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My brother asked: "Why can't that be?"

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"Jews don't look like that...Jews look different."

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A Jew looks...with the large nose, with the..on the head, they have uh...

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photographed in the Stürmer...The Jews with the prayer...they are praying to our head...with the stomach...with the large nose. 

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"That can't be" - "Yes, it can be. We are Jews." 

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Uh, that is part of my...so you see: What I just told you here, that was a quick version. 

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But the version was cruel. 

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I can't explain uh, I can't explain every day, what it was like in the camp. 

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Every day and uh...

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There were cruelties. There was one case: 

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A boy was whistling a Russian song...in Plaszow. A Russ...

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The second, I remember, was an engineer. It was roll call and the two men were hanged. 

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The engineer had cut his hand with a knife. 

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One could see, he was already, not quite dead, three-quarters dead.

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He couldn't walk, they carried him. One could see the blood coming out. 

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It was an OD-man and ...to hang. What is that called? In German? In Polish we say "szubienica."

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IV: Gallows.

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SB: How?

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IV: Gallows. 

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SB: Yes? They built that and one of the OD men had a rope around his neck and the other fell down. 

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According to the International ....you are not allowed to hang someone twice, if they fall down. 

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But no. It was...I don't remember who was there. 

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Said to him: "Do it again but if he falls again then you are going on it."

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The second time he did it right. 

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And that was all that was left of a boy, 16, 15, 14 and a half years old, 17 years. 

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I once had to work not far from uh...

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From the border where the barbed wire was. Not far...with my comrade. 

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I walked by an SS man, from above, the SS man screams. 

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"They are working...the two are working too slowly. Come with me."

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Come with me...he took another SS man with him and sat on an armchair. 

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My head down, he sat on my head. 25 hits with the riding crop. 

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The riding crop was so wide, more or less with the hand it was uh 3, 4, centimeters. 

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And very thin at the end, maybe a half a centimeter. And it was very soft. 

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He sits on my head and the second one...25.

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25...I don't know uh...today that still hurts. But he was not that fat. It was a...and...

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I was lucky that he didn't say to me "Pants down."

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But usually they did do that. "Pants down."

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He beat me through the pants. I got 25. 

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I think he counted. I think it was 24. I couldn't take anymore. 

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And with all the strength that I had I pulled out my head and fell on my back. 

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On my behind and on my back. That is how I fell. 

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And then he kicked me once with his foot, with the military shoes. 

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Then I couldn't breath. A long...that is how I breathed. I couldn't...

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Then it was the second one's turn, my friend...also 25. 

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And that was all from...uh...there were many things that I can't remember and uh...

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I have another...there was an attack on the ship L'Achille, the French uh Italian ship...terrorists. 

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There were German tourists and  a Jewish T...an American...Jewish...Jew from America. And... 

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Excuse me...The ktichen was German. Later It...was on television...they showed what had happened. 

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He said: "I was with the tourists for 24 hours on the ship. But I will never forget it.

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My whole life I will think of these 24 hours."

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Back then I thought: "You had 24 hours like that. I had 2,000 hours like that. 2,000 hours."

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And the whole time we were....we were...we lived in the minutes...in the now. 

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What happens after two minutes, none of us knew. 

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And we stayed alive because of it, because we were lucky. Not because I did anything or my head. 

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That's how it was. They sent me there, I was...I did it and now it's over. 

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IV: May I ask you something?

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SB: Yes.