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IV: Thank you for finding the time for us... I thought we could just start, warm up to each other by talking. 

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I'll ask you a few questions. You can talk about anything that occurs to you. 

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Later we can move sections around if we want. 

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Uh, why don't you begin by telling us where you were born and what your name is. 

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So that we can get to know you. 

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SB:...I'll do that. I was born in 1927 in Poland. Father Josef, my mother Amalia. 

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I am the youngest of the brothers. I had an older sister, who was born in 1920. 

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Roman was born in 1923 and Alec was born in 1924. I was born in '27. 

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My bro...my father had four brothers and a sister. 

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They all had...families with six, two, five children. Not one of them remains. 

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We three brothers remain. 

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We remain because we worked for the Wehrmacht. 

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And we knew...in 1942 we knew what was coming...in Polish they called it "wysiedlenia", that means resettlement.

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That is why we stayed with the work and my sister worked and father worked. 

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Only mother didn't work, she was at home. 

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But sadly, my sister was sent away with my parents. And we three remained. 

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I already mentioned that only three brothers remained, from the entire family. 

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In 19...actually 1939, when the war began, we were only at home until 1941. 

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We lived in the old flat. In the flat where we lived before the war. 

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It started getting worse for Jews right at the beginning. It didn't happen all at once. 

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Various restrictions...for example we couldn't go into the park, sit in the park. 

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We couldn't go to the school of course. 

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We could not shop at the market until 11 o'clock. And at 11 o'clock we could shop. 

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And of course we all had to go to work.

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That was work, you could say forced labor. 

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Because it was for the company Wolfer and Goebel. They built streets. 

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That is where Roman worked...for the company Wolfer and Goebel. 

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We worked, my brother and I, at the barracks of the Wehrmacht, we did all kinds of work there. 

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And uh that was...it was not very good. 

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We were uh...

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repressed. Can you say that? Repressed. 

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It was bad. The earnings were very...we received two Zloty for each day we worked

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That was not enough to live. 

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We had to sell things we had from the house, things that we could get. 

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That was until '41. Roman was sent from home to a camp Dębica, Pustków.

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The Germans built a... actually he never knew what it was supposed to be. Because he ran away in '42. 

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Didn't know how it ended. But there were many streets and buildings built...It may have been for the military. 

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And Poles worked there too. The Poles arrived early to work and after work they went home. 

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My brother was in the SS camp. But the Poles couldn't speak German. My brother spoke German. 

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He was an interpreter. And as an interpreter he was also at the work site and in the office. 

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He got the plan and saw that so many Poles worked there, so many. So many Poles. He did that with the Poles. 

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One time my brother came into the...barracks where the office was. The engineer was a civilian. But there were also SS people there. 

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An SS man came out and said to my brother: "You stole my pistol."

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My brother said: "Excuse me I just came in, I was not in the room.

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I was not in your room. I never go in there. I just came from the office of the engineer." 

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He said: "No, you stole my pistol."

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He said: "Stole my pistol" Any my brother said: "No, I did not steal your pistol."

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But my brother saw that he couldn't get him to agree, he said: 

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"I give you my word of honor that I did not steal the pistol."

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As long as he said "I didn't steal", the SS man understood. 

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But my brother said: "I give you my word of honor that I didn't do that."

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He took his hand and slapped him: "Since when does a Jew have a word of honor?"

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Of course he had the pistol....he found the pistol. If he hadn't you can imagine what would have happened to my brother. 

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And he stayed there until early '42. Two..

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My brother Alec and I worked in the munitions camp of the Wehrmacht. 

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And we traveled home every day. That was 12 kilometers to my city Bochnia. 

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Jews were not allowed to take the train, we had special permission, we were 150 men...

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Every day we traveled to Klaj, to the munitions camp and then back home in the evening.  

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Just ten peolpe...the storage, the camp was in the woods...we stayed there...slept...ten men for fire standby duty. 

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So each time a different ten men stayed there. 

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That's how it was until ... In '42 my brother left Pustków, he simply left for Bochnia. 

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We were afraid that he ...they had his address, that they would come and pick him up in Bochnia. 

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And we knew what would happen to him when the caught him. 

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There was someone in Klaj, from the Wehrmacht, Private Zimmer. 

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I went to Private Zimmer...and told him: "Private Zimmer, I have a favor to ask."

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"My brother is in Bochnia and he is not working." I didn't mention that he had walked away from Pustków.

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"I have a brother and he doesn't really have any work

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I would like him to join us here in Klaj to work." He said: "no problem." 

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He got him an ID and permission to travel on the train. And he came. 

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And he stayed every night to sleep. Working at the fire...

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Didn't go home. He stayed there. 

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That's how it was until 1942. 

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In 1942 we already knew. 

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Well actually we didn't have any contact between cities. We were isolated from every city. 

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We didn't know about Lodz and we didn't know what was happening in the Warsaw Ghetto. 

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We didn't know anything at all. We didn't know what was happening in the Krakow Ghetto. We only knew what was in Bochnia. 

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But we did know about the resettlement from the ghetto. 

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We also knew that the people who worked would not be sent away and could stay in the ghetto. 

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But that is not how it was. 

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From Bochnia, that was a....it was a Friday. We went to work in Klaj. 

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An order came that everyone should go into the barracks. Stop working and go into the barracks. 

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We went there and were told: "Go home and bring back sheets and clothes.

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and you are going to stay in Klaj, you aren't going back to Boch...back home to sleep. You'll stay in Bochnia. 

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We traveled home, Friday, and brought everything and came back to Klaj. 

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We were 150 men and how we worked and then they permitted ten women to come. 

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The ten women worked for us in the kitchen.

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Back then we got products from....from the Wehrmacht. 

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We were 150 men and ten women. 

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Two men, married, with children, did not come back to Klaj. 

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Private Zimmer...the brother-in-law of one of the men who didn't come back was Mr. Stein, and he was the camp elder. 

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He didn't work but he was the camp elder. 

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And that was his brother-in-law. He asked Private Zimmer: 

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"Since he didn't return so go to Bochnia, bring him back to Klaj." 

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Him and one other man. Two men didn't return. 

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So he traveled to Bochnia, Private Zimmer, and brought them back. That was Monday. 

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He told us what had happened...that the entire ghetto...

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There was a large square not far from the train station, that is where they were all concentrated.  

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All the people from Bochnia were there, sitting on the square. So it began on Saturday. 

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And on Monday they were still at the square. The first ones to arrive at the square were there for three days. It happened that...

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My sister was in Poland. She had hidden. 

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But she heard what happened. She thought that they would not send away everyone. 

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But she heard that everyone...she came voluntarily. 

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She could have hidden, but she heard that her parents were gone...so she went with her parents. 

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Private Zimmer brought the two men back to Klaj, Markheim and Rosen. 

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They told us what had happened but there was nothing more we could do. 

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And the next day, Tuesday, my brother Alec went to Lieutenant Hofmann. He was the officer of the Wehrmacht in Klaj. 

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He went to Officer Hofmann...and said: "Mr. Officer, I would like to travel to Bochnia."

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He said: "You can't travel there."

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He said: "Officer, I have to travel to Bochnia. I want to know what happened to my family."

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He said: "You can't do that."

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He said to him.. But he was a very...he wasn't SS, Officer Hoffmann

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He said to him: "Mr Officer, I am going to Bochnia." And he went to Bochnia. And he came back. 

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Tuesday he came back. Everything was gone.

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I was 14 1/2 years old at the time. When I heard that I started to cry. 

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Private Zimmer came and called to me. 

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"Salusz, why are you crying? How can I help you?"

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"You can't help me. Everything is gone."

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And we stayed in Klaj, Didn't go back to Bochnia. Lived in Klaj. 

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And there were five barracks. We stayed there until 1943.

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The Bochnia ghetto still existed. But there were very few people from Bochnia in the Bochnia ghetto. 

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They all came from the area around Bochnia, from the villages and...

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There was a small town, Wiśnicz and äh Brzesko. They all came to the Bochnia ghetto.

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CM: We have to take a short break. 

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SB: Take a break?

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CM: The microphone. 

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Yes. right. 

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SB: So we went ..not every Sunday, but every second Sunday, Lieutenant Hofmann allowed it. 

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Not everyone but some of the people, of course under guard, but not by the SS, but by the Wehrmacht, by soldiers.

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We walked the 12 km to Bochnia. 

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He allowed us to go to Bochnia....to be deloused. This gave us a chance to go to Bochnia. 

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But we didn't find anyone there. Everyone was gone. 

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We stayed until 1943, May '43.

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We left early in the morning...to get up and go to work.

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We went out and saw that the SS were all around the barracks. 

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They had arrived with two or three trucks and...

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put us on the trucks and brought us to Plaszow. 

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Plaszow, that was a camp not far from...a suburb of Krakow. 

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It was a large camp...were all...

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It was actually a work camp. It was a concentration camp but not an extermination camp. 

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There wasn't a crematorium, it was only a work camp. There were 24 or 25,000 people working there. 

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And a tailor, a shoemaker...everything the military needed. All the work was for...

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We arrived in Plaszow and they asked if there were any carpenters among us. 

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We stepped up, 50 men, said we are carpenters. 

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Pardon, among the carpenters, 50 men, one of them was a...

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He built furniture, a Stolar? Stolarz is the Polish word.

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And one of them, he could push nails into the wall. 

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Se we left...there were many engineers...Jews in the camp.

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But there was one woman, a good engineer. She was very small, tiny. 

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And she explained to us how, and we started to build barracks. 

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The barracks were very close to each other. They were worried that a fire might break out...and the whole camp would burn. 

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So we took down every second barrack and built it again...at a different site. That is how we worked and built. 

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And later... all the experts lived in the camp but they worked in Krakow. 

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They went to work every day in Krakow. 

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Meanwhile we were given the order. New barracks had arrived. 

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They called out "new grounds." Below was the camp and the roll-call square and the washroom. 

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And above was...that is where they built the new grounds. We built the barracks. 

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They closed off the camp. No one could leave the camp. Everyone had to stay.

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All the workshops in Krakow, everything was moved to the new grounds, in the barracks. 

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That was very bad in the camp because when the people had something, they came to Krakow..they could...

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The Poles brought us bread and they could...

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Now the could not come in and do business, but the Poles brought...there was...

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But then they closed off the camp and everyone had to stay in the new grounds. It was very bad. 

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Because we were only given one bread for the whole week. Not every day a slice of bread. 

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You were given a bread, a bit of white cheese and marmalade. And then...at noon we were given a soup. 

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But that was the bread for the whole week. Said...do what you want, eat the whole week or eat it alone. 

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That was very bad. That was a very very long time. 

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When the building of the new grounds was finished...the guards were Ukrainians. 

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I don't know if they were Ukrainian or Russian. From Wlassow, Army Wlassow. That is the army that...

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They came over to Germany...are you familiar with Wlassow?

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And it was...they were our guards and they had a barrack in the camp. 

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Where they lived. We had built guard barracks for the SS. 

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The female engineer was the head engineer there. 

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And we started to build and one time...

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We set up the wall, supported by a board and we went into the ground with the wood and there we...

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The wall shouldn't fall and after a few meters we had the binding...that's it. 

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We arrived early in the morning. It was a wall, around eight or ten meters long.

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And we were there, finishing the work, the barracks. The next day we arrived and the wall...the wall was on the ground. 

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It was...there had been wind and rain during the night. The earth was soft and the wall had fallen down. 

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It was our bad luck that Göth arrived. He came by and saw the wall lying on the ground. 

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"What happened?" he asked the engineer, the woman. 

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"What happened here?" she said....told him what happened, with the rain, with the wind.

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That the ground was soft and the wall had fallen. 

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He said to... Hujar was with him. He was a big guy, Hujar. 

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He said: "Take her off to the side and kill her." 

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"Where?" - "There on the square."

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Did you see the film, uh, Sch...Rech...Sch...uh, uh.

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IV: Schindlers List. 

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SB: Did you see the film? That is in it, the woman being shot. He shot her at the square. 

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And we built and it was hard, very hard work. Very hard work. 

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All the people in the barracks, all the workshops were inside the barracks. 

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But for us it was very very hard, because we were out there in summer, in rain, in winter, in snow, 24 , 20 degrees frost. 

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Did everything outside. Not much to eat. It was very hard. 

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Every once in a a while we were lucky, when it was very important work. 

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We built, for example, for the camp elder Chilowicz, once we built a dining hall. 

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Chilowicz arrived. "Finish the work and everyone will get a half a bread."

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We worked until eight, nine at night, so that we could get half a bread.

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Half a bread, that was a lot. 

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Uh. 

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What I am telling, that was the life, really. But in between there was a lot. What is a lot? 

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Amon Göth rode across the fields, came into the camp. 

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He never went out, back to the camp, shot three or four people. 

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He didn't come every day, that was lucky for us, But when he came to the camp he always...

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Never scolded. Just pulled out the pistol and fired and rode on. 

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Hujar too, he was then....Göth told him to shoot the engineer. Him too. 

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We were standing there doing the work. A boy stood next to me, Strikowsky. 

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I didn't see the SS man. He didn't see him either. 

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Suddenly I heard the shot. And I felt him fall. He shot him and moved on. 

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When we were building the new grounds the barracks were brought by train. 

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In Plaszow there was a track, it went into the camp. We unloaded it all and put everything next to the train cars. 

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Early in the morning every day there was roll call... a large roll-call square and every block had an SS man. 

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There was the block elder and he spoke to the people and to the SS man:  

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"Block 20, Block 21, so and so many people are there." Not people, prisoners. 

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And the SS man went through and counted, checked that everything was in order. He also reported. He...

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When the roll call was over all the people there had to go to work above at the new grounds. 

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Everyone had to take a part of the barracks from below...

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The entire grounds were not finished. We were building the whole time.  

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Everyone had to take parts...stone, wall or a piece, however big. 

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But they were not allowed to go without taking something to the new grounds. 

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Göth's villa was up above. The roll-call square was below. 

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He often came out ...without clothes...just wearing pants and he had a rifle with him.

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Is that what it's called? Carabiner?

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And he aimed. And he fired. 

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Often he just caused an injury. But usually he killed.

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That was sport for him. He went out and fired. 

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The lucky ones stayed alive. The unlucky got shot. 

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That means, we were all there ...and everyone knew about it. 

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We knew what was but not what might come in a half hour. 

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We lived with the now. Not with what might come later. 

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I don't know if you all are interested in this but in 1944...yes...there was a Jew from...Krakow...A Jew from Switzerland.

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And he was free at first. As a Swiss citizen he was free. And he received food from Switzerland for us...

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Erfl...uh...noodles, different kinds of food. 

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But he knew we wouldn't get it. That it would go into the camp and the SS would eat it and...

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I think that...I don't know what was done. 

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Amon Göth had many, many...

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When we went to Klaj we were lined up and Os Zdrojewski arrived, an SS man. 

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And said, like this with his hands: "Everything out, everything out."

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I knew where to search. There. There. Gold, watches, all the...money, everything was brought

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to them in a basket and everything was thrown in. Everything. 

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When we were in Klaj we were, we still had money... and...

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With the Wehrmacht no one took anything from us. It was ours. 

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But those who came to Plaszow, the whole...everything. 

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It wasn't an inspection, to see who had so much money and who was there. It was.